My aggressive journey to say a few words. (AKA) I'll be saying stuff that won't matter to many of you but it'll ALL mean something to me.
Published on July 30, 2004 By wnx_decoy In Current Events
What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!


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on Aug 06, 2004

 

I'm not exactly sure but I think God wants us to be STRAIGHT. A gay couple, married, who says they're christians haven't learned that you have to give up stuff such as relationships that he says aren't good in his eyes.

You're not sure, but yet you're sure enough to say that gay Christians aren't really Christians?  In the end, that's between them and God, same as with anyone who professes to be a Christian. It's not up to you, me or anyone else to tell them what they have to sacrifice in their lives...God will give them that information.

I keep reading about people saying that you can pray anytime you want and that you don't have to make a big scene about it. Trust me, everything you do is seen in high school. You do the typical praying position and someone will see and comment about it

Number one, who said you had to use the "typical praying position" when you offer a silent prayer? Number two, what's more important--doing something you believe in, or avoiding comments from some high schooler who doesn't understand your faith?

There is no assurance in scripture that the way would be easy; Paul spent a good deal of time in prison, and of the disciples, only John was allowed to live to an old age (on Patmos).

Matter of fact, aren't we told numerous times that the way will be hard, that we will be persecuted and ridiculed for our beliefs? 

Try standing firm on your faith. Be proud of it. You did a fine job of standing your ground here - do it there.

Very well said, Karen!!

 

on Aug 06, 2004
You're not sure, but yet you're sure enough to say that gay Christians aren't really Christians? In the end, that's between them and God, same as with anyone who professes to be a Christian. It's not up to you, me or anyone else to tell them what they have to sacrifice in their lives...God will give them that information.


Well if God doesn't want you to be gay then are you really a Christian? I've been doing some reading in my bible lately. I think I've come to understand things a bit better now. I'm still taking the same side though. I would explain more, but I don't have my bible sitting down here and I'm not going back upstairs to get it just so I can get caught being up by the parents.

~carebear~
on Aug 07, 2004
You guys actually make it seem like it's bad to change for the better.


You base that comment on the fact that you consider forcing straightness on yourself when you are inherently homosexual to be "change for the better."

We consider that a change for the worse, and lying to yourself and the world about who and what you are.
on Aug 07, 2004

Well if God doesn't want you to be gay then are you really a Christian?

If God didn't want people to be gay, then he wouldn't make them that way in the first place, IMO.

You base that comment on the fact that you consider forcing straightness on yourself when you are inherently homosexual to be "change for the better."

We consider that a change for the worse, and lying to yourself and the world about who and what you are.

Exactly....couldn't have said it better myself! 

 

on Aug 07, 2004

Well, you go on about your faith, about how you believe what the bible tells you...if youre so staunch, you shouldn't care what people say about you? Doesn't it say something in the NT about not caring what other people think or say?  Besides, who said you had to assume the traditional praying position?  You can't pray any other way?  Why not?  Does god not listen to you unless you're on your knees, or unless you have your hands together and your eyes closed?  That's BS, to be blunt.  You can pray and no-one has to know that you're praying.  You could even excuse yourself to use the bathroom, lock yourself in a stall and pray there if you felt the need.


This is a problem I see a lot...people can't or won't stand firm on their faith.

on Aug 07, 2004
You do the typical praying position and someone will see and comment about it.

who said you had to assume the traditional praying position? You can't pray any other way?


This is exactly what I tried to address about 100 posts ago....
on Aug 07, 2004

This is exactly what I tried to address about 100 posts ago....


I know you did....I thought I re-emphasize it.


I think that people want things their way.  That's why they want a specific time set aside for prayer.  They can pray anytime they want to, wherever they want to...but that's not good enough.  There has to be a public display of prayer. 

on Aug 07, 2004

This is a problem I see a lot...people can't or won't stand firm on their faith.


I know that i stand firm with my faith. I am pretty sure that carebear does too. But i can't say that for sure.

~blondelife~
on Aug 07, 2004
I am so tired of Jerry Farewell, Pat Robertson, George Bush, and other christian leaders trying to legislate me into heaven, its my decision not theres whether I make it to heaven.
on Aug 07, 2004
capt and carebear,

If you are concerned about what your fellow classmates will think of you when you pray in school, I have suggested reading for you.

There are two books entitled "Jesus Freaks" (1 & 2) put out by DC Talk and Voice of the Martyrs. If you are truly concerned about the esteem of your peers, it might do you well to read about people who put their very LIVES on the line for their faith.
on Aug 07, 2004

There are two books entitled "Jesus Freaks" (1 & 2) put out by DC Talk and Voice of the Martyrs. If you are truly concerned about the esteem of your peers, it might do you well to read about people who put their very LIVES on the line for their faith.

I get mailings from Voice of the Martyrs, and keep current with their website....talk about heroes and inspirational folks!!

 

on Aug 07, 2004
If you are concerned about what your fellow classmates will think of you when you pray in school, I have suggested reading for you.


I am pretty sure it isn't because they are concerned about what other people think of them. I know them and they don't care. It is more like we can get into trouble if we get caught at least that is what one of the teachers said to us. So we have to be careful but i don't care. If i want or need to pray for something right then and there then i do.

~blondelife~
on Aug 07, 2004

I am pretty sure it isn't because they are concerned about what other people think of them

But Cornbread said:

Trust me, everything you do is seen in high school. You do the typical praying position and someone will see and comment about it.

Sounds to me like he's worried about what his peers think, rather than his teachers.

And as Citahellion and myself both have said - who says you have to 'do the typical praying position'?  You can't pray silently to yourself?  Or is it because you're getting funny looks and comments when you pray - that's why you want to moment's of silence to become official, so then everyone else will be doing it and then you won't stick out like the proverbial sore thumb?

on Aug 07, 2004
I am pretty sure it isn't because they are concerned about what other people think of them. I know them and they don't care. It is more like we can get into trouble if we get caught at least that is what one of the teachers said to us. So we have to be careful but i don't care. If i want or need to pray for something right then and there then i do.


Get "in trouble"? Didn't the disciples in Acts talk about following God rather than man?
on Aug 07, 2004

It is more like we can get into trouble if we get caught at least that is what one of the teachers said to us


Not according to this you can't:


Link


I'll give you the relevant part:


1. Students have the right to pray individually or in groups or to discuss their religious views with their peers so long as they are not disruptive. Because the Establishment Clause does not apply to purely private speech, students enjoy the right to read their Bibles or other scriptures, say grace before meals, pray before tests, and discuss religion with other willing student listeners. In the classroom students have the right to pray quietly except when required to be actively engaged in school activities (e.g., students may not decide to pray just as a teacher calls on them). In informal settings, such as the cafeteria or in the halls, students may pray either audibly or silently, subject to the same rules of order as apply to other speech in these locations. However, the right to engage in voluntary prayer does not include, for example, the right to have a captive audience listen or to compel other students to participate.


Speaks for itself, really...don't you think?

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