Gay WHAT???

Published on July 30, 2004 By wnx_decoy In Current Events

What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!

Comments (Page 9)

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 06, 2004

You can make jokes all you want, but when someone writes two detailed paragraphs to explain their position to you, and you dismiss it with a one-line joke, that's just plain rude.

I don't like being rude and maliscious, I really don't, but if you plan on being rude, I have no intention of being civil myself, although that is obviously clear now.

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wnx_decoy

on Aug 06, 2004

Dude, lay off already. We got it. We're not worthy to talk to you. Dude, I've read every reply on here so far, don't start with me.

Why the heck, by the way, did you have to pick on Carebear for agreeing with me. You know we can't all disagree about everything, there's really not that many sides to a story. You pretty much have 3 choices, one side, the other, or undecided. I'm on one side with the people that agree with me, you're on the other side with the people that agree with you, and my dad's undecided like the people like him who can't decide. Don't mess with someone for chosing to agree with me just because you don't. I thought you were better than that. Or are you just too lazy to think about how it would come across?

I'm tired of you bashing me and (more importantly) my friends who happen to share a lot of beliefs. Seriously dude, lay off. I don't want kicked off of here for getting too offense to any, and I'd pray you'd think about that too.

Capt. over and out!

P.S.~ Do you need a nap? I think you're in the "grumpy mode" now.

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carebear07

on Aug 06, 2004

Ok why are you picking on me?? Ok I agree with him. So what do you want me to put. One of thoes one-liners or something. The things I put are not exactly the same as Capt. is saying. I'm trying to emphasize MY POINT of view. I have my beliefs too ya know. I guess we're not worthy to talk to you if you don't like being rude or w/e. But it doesn't make sense to me that you say you don't like it when people are rude. Well if you don't like it so much then why are you being rude? Ok, maybe you think you're not, but it sure seems like it.

~carebear~
P.S.~ I think I might go off into my little corner now, thank you very much.

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 06, 2004

I wasn't picking on him for AGREEING with you, but for parroting you word-for-word:

You said:

All you guys do is smack the Christians in the face.

And then all of a sudden he says:

Why do you always have to smack us Christians in the face.

But yes, I do realize I'm being rude, and frankly I got carried away. And I do apologize. But you hit on my biggest pet peeve in the world when it comes to message boards, blogs, forums, whatever:

When I, or someone else for that matter, takes the time to write a thought-out, uninsulting, and insightful message. Puts the effort to make it good writing and really try to be a clear explanation of their viewpoint, and they don't even get an intelligent response, not even a "Well that's an interesting point, though I disagree with you" and instead, the response is an insult, or a joke, or something completely unrelated. It's just the most annoying thing in the world to me, a grievous lack of courtesy before anyone even gets mean or insulting, as I have gotten in this latest exchange.

Again, I apologize for picking on either of you, but disagreeing with you, and seeing you do something that always enrages me, made me snap more than I should have. Once again, I apologize.

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Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 06, 2004

Have you heard about the Lutherans? They're thinking of accepting gay marriages. One of my friends told me about this. Guess what else? He's against it.

"The Lutherans" are thinking of accepting gay marriages? Now that is just not true. The Evangelical Lutheran Churches of America (ELCA) has considered the issue, yes, but that is ONE BRANCH of Lutheran faith in America. The Lutheran Church Missouri Synod (LCMS) still stands steadfastly against it, as does the Wisconsin Evangelical Lutheran Synod (WELS). I need hardly mention that the latter two synods are conservative synods, but it does go a long way towards proving my point that "the Lutherans" accepting it is just as erroneous a statement as saying "Christians" are accepting it. Some are, some aren't, plain and simple.

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carebear07

on Aug 06, 2004

Gideon~ I think he just meant his friends church.

Lord Shitzu~ It seemed to me that you were picking on me. I didn't think you were picking on him. Because he said the thing about smaking christians in the face before i said it.

~carebear~

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Poetmom99

on Aug 06, 2004

Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

Why? I pray all the time, where ever I am, and no one even knows about it. You're not supposed to make a big display of it, it's just supposed to be between you and God....just sit at your desk, close your eyes and pray.....

Actually, the forefathers were deitists. Going along with "add-ins" in American culture and mentality, the "Under G-d" saying only appeared in different facets, including on money during the government's efforts to polarize the "G-dless Russian Commies" from everyday Americans, and procaim values that were not stated in the Constitution.

Thanks for saving me from having to type pretty much the same thing. While I am a Christian, and am very strong in my faith, I also believe that it goes against the intention of our Founding Fathers to suggest that this country was founded as "a Christian nation"...we were founded to provide religious freedom, to allow EVERYONE to have a place to practice their religion, whatever it is, to worship their own Higher Power, of whatever name....

What if the Muslims became a more vocal, more activist group in our country, and changed every mention of God to Allah? Would those who are out there insisting that God stay part of the government still be out there supporting that Allah remain as well? Somehow, I have my doubts.....and what if it were the Wiccans who were the vocal majority? How would you feel about pledging allegiance to one nation, under Gods and Goddesses?

And no, you don't get offended by the words, you just try to convert the speaker of the words instead.

Heck, even those of us who are Christian, but believe in keeping religion out of government, are subjected on occasion to the "conversion" attempts...because we obviously aren't Christian ENOUGH.

Yes, but.....you can look at the word "God" as a more universal term.....it can be nondescript.....at least its not specific like "In Zeus We Trust".

Not with a capital G....that, in the minds of most, refers specifically to the Judeo-Christian deity....otherwise the pledge could say "under my god", and then it MIGHT be seen as a more universal term

BTW, do they still make people swear on the Bible in court?......

Not in any courts I've been in recently....and I just gave testimony in a case in June.....

I think that there should still be time to pray in classrooms at schools. I think that the last time I remember praying in a classroom was in the 5th grade.

There IS still time to pray in school, any time you want...no one can stop you. Ask my children...they pray all the time...before lunch, before and after field trips, before and after sports activities, before tests, etc. A silent prayer can be said any time, any where.

As for the gay and lesbian marriges......it's just totally wrong.

And just because YOU believe that way, everyone in the country should have to live by YOUR belief? If you don't believe it's right, then don't be in a lesbian marriage....but don't try to stop others from marrying. What if the majority was opposed to heterosexual marriage....would you think it was right for them to pursue an amendment to make that illegal?

If you want a kind of relationship such as that then do it somewhere as long as it is not in a church.

And who ever said that a marriage HAD to take place in a church? If a specific church or denomination wants to ban same sex marriage, more power to them....but that doesn't mean it needs to be in the Constitution!!

What if you wanted to pray for something bad that has happened and it just so happened to be a tuesday at school?

Then you say a SILENT prayer, and go on with your day. No problem!!

No, the commandments are not bad at all if you are a Christian (which I am, of the widely unpopular Catholic demoniation ). That said, I don't believe that anything that is funded with public money (schools, courts...) should contain the doctrines of any religion.

Amen....

it's just the way my church believes. I'm not going to turn against what my church is teaching.

Whatever happened to making a decision for yourself?

Honestly, its like people really arent listening to what Jesus had to say. Love one another (yes that means everyone) as I loved you.

SOME of us are still listening....it just seems we're not being heard, either.....

And I do respect that they choose to be that way, but I still see that it's wrong.

And can you tell me, since it's a CHOICE, when exactly you said to yourself "Gosh, I think I'm going to be a heterosexual and only be attracted to members of the opposite sex." After all, if homosexuals make the choice, then heterosexuals would have to do the same......

Ok, so, now it's all about how belief in God is wrong, or believing in the teaching of you church is wrong?

I haven't seen anyone say anything like that yet....can you quote it for me?

Gay marriage is wrong because God didn't establish it as being a holy unity.

And that should rule the lives of those who don't believe in God WHY, exactly?

You're probably going to tell me it's alright for a 12 year old and a 40 year old to get married next, and I'm not going to tolerate this stupid thinking of people anymore

No, we're talking about two consenting ADULTS, with nothing that should legally keep them from marrying. And since no one brought up a situation involving a 12 yr old and a 40 yr old except YOU, then I guess we know where the stupid thinking is coming from.....

Have you ever seen a homosexual become a born again christian? They aren't gay or lesbian any more after that because they chose not to be.

I've seen several who have been Christians most of their lives....and are in committed same sex relationships that have lasted longer than many heterosexual marriages.

"No, they are still gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, or whatever. They are just no longer practicing it."So, what you're saying is that if a satan worshiper becomes born again christian he/she is still a satan worshiper, just not practicing it anymore?

Not the same at all....a homosexual being a Christian no more stops being a homosexual than a blue eyed person wearing green contacts stops being a blue eyed person. You CAN change your religion...you CAN'T change your genetic makeup.

So, having hormones is a sin? Can I get an A-men?Capt. over and out!(you guys are killing me)

Are you really having that much of a reading comprehension problem, or are you just trying to fam the flames here?

You can't tell me that you don't look at them or say something because they are with someone of the same gender.

Sure I can....my stepson has been with his partner for longer than his father and I have been married...and we would never dream of saying anything negative to or about them, any more than they would say anything negative to or about us.

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CS Guy

on Aug 06, 2004

otherwise the pledge could say "under my god", and then it MIGHT be seen as a more universal term

It is NOT universal because it excludes those of us that worship no deity!

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 06, 2004

It is NOT universal because it excludes those of us that worship no deity!

Exactly, still, great post Poetmom. Addresses all of the issues a lot of us have had with the Christian representation in this discussion. It's very refreshing to see someone who can appreciate the positive aspects of her religion without being blindly indoctrinated to one church or priest, and can see and discuss the opinions of others without just dismissing them because she doesn't agree.

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Poetmom99

on Aug 06, 2004

It is NOT universal because it excludes those of us that worship no deity!

Good point....but I did say MIGHT....

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Poetmom99

on Aug 06, 2004

It's very refreshing to see someone who can appreciate the positive aspects of her religion without being blindly indoctrinated to one church or priest, and can see and discuss the opinions of others without just dismissing them because she doesn't agree.

Thanks Lord Shitzu...I do my best!

on Aug 06, 2004

on Aug 06, 2004

By the way Poetmom99, you aren't included in my statements where I talk about "most Christians". You might not care of course, but you would fall into the catagory of people that I really enjoying finding. Where you can actually be open and understand what the 'other side' is talking and not just answer every question with "...well, my pastor told me." I mentioned earlier a friend of mine who was Mormon; he was similiarly open to discussions.

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CS Guy

on Aug 06, 2004

I agree. With the one exception that I pointed out I thought your comment was wondrous.

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Poetmom99

on Aug 06, 2004

I mentioned earlier a friend of mine who was Mormon; he was similiarly open to discussions.

I've found that most Mormons are that way...I've spent hours in my living room talking with the missionaries who come knocking on my door.

I agree. With the one exception that I pointed out I thought your comment was wondrous.

Thanks CS....means a lot coming from you!

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