Gay WHAT???

Published on July 30, 2004 By wnx_decoy In Current Events

What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!

Comments (Page 14)

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carebear07

on Aug 10, 2004

Hah!...I love that...it sounds so.......dramatic and kind of cool...thanks Trina.

Hey remember Zoo, no oneliner jokes. People might get mad.

~carebear~

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blondelife

on Aug 10, 2004

"You can't have time for everyone to pray in schools. What about the jewish guys and the muslim guys and the buddhist guys and the non-religious people. all the other religions folks are gonna get mad, and thats a good way to start a riot"

I never really thought of it like that. That is a good way to think about it. You have to think about other peoples religion.

CAPTAIN,

Oh yeah, Jess and Ashley, that's kinda why I didn't sit with you guys for a while there last year at lunch, some of the guys (I'm not going to mention names) were getting out of hand.

The main teen to blame for that would be me.

He just allowed man to do as he pleased,

i know who you are talking about at lunch i think. You need to stay with us this year. Also you aren't the only teen to blame for anything. It isn't your fault. MOre people are going on about it. Don't blame yourself or i think i might have to have talk with you.
Also on the quote about god. THANK YOU!!! that is what i tried to say in one of my responses earlier. Thank you so much for agreeing to what i said in my one comment. Thanks again.

Hey remember Zoo, no oneliner jokes. People might get mad.

Hey Ashley. Did you ever think that might be what gets people mad? You just bringing it up all the time?

~blondelife~

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trina_p

on Aug 10, 2004

Zoo - I'm a Christian with no church too -- but I'm glad you like it

Ashley - there are times and places for jokes - possibly if capt had made a joke AFTER he made a serious response to hellions comment there may not have been such an uproar. Noone is really against you - you're all respected members of this community as long as you respect the members of this community too.
Sometimes it is hardly evident that you're a teen and sometimes its glaringly obvious -- but adults have moments like that too

199

Poetmom99

on Aug 10, 2004

I think that the should separate the church from the state.

I just thought of something. I am totally for having a praying time durring school

Dude, that is so awesome. I'm in on it too. Maybe we could all do it a lunch or something. Good idea!

Ashley...don't you see the double standard here? One second you are saying you are for the separation of church and state, and the next you are wanting to set up a praying time in school. Unless you're talking about an entirely voluntary thing at lunchtime, for ONLY those students who WANT to be part of it, you are, in fact, advocating the combining of church and state.

I want the moment of silence in school because of the reflection. I think that school were better when we had the moments of silence every morning.

So TAKE a moment of silence, any time during the day you choose, as often as you need. Just don't impose it on the entire school!!

Yes, I am being arrogant but for some reason you all seem to think it's going to change out of nowhere. I'm like this because God made me like this.

So if you truly believe that you can't change a part of yourself because God made you that way, why do you keep insisting that homosexuals, who God made that way, can change?

Honestly, did God make death, greed, or even sin in general? No, of course he didn't.

No, He sure didnt...but he DID create humans---every last one us, with all our similarities and differences.

Do you know why I don't understand? Because the other religious people pray too. I never ONCE said a moment of prayer to my God. This is a moment of silence. I bet that if he even knew what the moment of silence was about he'd be with me.

Why does it have to be organized, in the school? Why can't all of us just pray when we want, where we want, without turning it into a big deal? I understand precisely what you want, and I am most assuredly NOT with you.

So if people were born gay and God thinks it's so bad then why would he make them be born gay??

That's my whole POINT, Ashley. Are we going to say now that God created people He finds offensive? WHY would he do that? If God finds them offensive, then wouldn't He make sure no one was ever born that way? And yet He doesn't...they are born every day....so there MUST be a reason.

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 10, 2004

Hey remember Zoo, no oneliner jokes. People might get mad.

Zoo made a positive comment about a "title" of sorts that he had acquired, it's not a one-liner, what you wrote, above, is what I would consider a one-liner. A "joke" intended primarily to get a reaction out of someone, probably me in this case, rather than bring anything new to the table.

201

wnx_decoy

on Aug 10, 2004

Actually, you know, you guys are not "argueing" your case very well anymore. Now you've agreed with me while saying you don't agree.

"Are we going to say now that God created people He finds offensive? WHY would he do that? If God finds them offensive, then wouldn't He make sure no one was ever born that way? And yet He doesn't...they are born every day....so there MUST be a reason."

The reason is because MAN chose to be this way. God hasn't created anything that is not perfect. It's all been man's doings. He didn't create people he finds offensive, it's the exact oposite. Man "created" people that God doesn't find favor in.

Capt. over and out!

202

shadesofgrey

on Aug 10, 2004

So if people were born gay and God thinks it's so bad then why would he make them be born gay??

That's my whole POINT, Ashley. Are we going to say now that God created people He finds offensive? WHY would he do that? If God finds them offensive, then wouldn't He make sure no one was ever born that way? And yet He doesn't...they are born every day....so there MUST be a reason.

Poetmom: I'm agreeing with you on this one, but I think that Ashley and Brandon are saying that, in fact, that people aren't born gay, that they choose to be gay. We are all using the same underlying reasoning, that God wouldn't create something that he wholly disapproves of, but we are drawing two separate conclusions. The first, which Brandon and Ashley support, is that God doesn't make anyone gay, people choose to be gay. The second, which you and I ascribe to, is that God doesn't find gays to be offensive.

This of course merely leads us back to the argument about whether or not it is a choice. Someone wrote a blog recently that summed it up quite well--if it is a choice, each one of us should be able to pinpoint the moment when we chose to be either heterosexual or homosexual. It's a big decision, so it should stand out in our minds, like the moment in time when we chose which college we were going to go to, or some other highly significantly event. Chances are you can't remember choosing to be straight, because it is not a choice.

Brandon: What you are calling arrogance, is really self-righteousness. I'm sure you can find many a passage in the Bible that will urge you to work to quell this tendency. It is neither becoming or helpful in your pursuit to spread the word of God.

203

dharmagrl

on Aug 10, 2004

Because the other religious people pray too.

Um, actually, I don't. I don't have a god or a deity.

Ask yourself this: would your god have wanted you to take an F on a test about evolution? I think not. That's one of the most ridiculous things I've ever heard, to be honest.

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 10, 2004

Actually, you know, you guys are not "argueing" your case very well anymore. Now you've agreed with me while saying you don't agree.

No, you misunderstand, you made this point:

Are we going to say now that God created people He finds offensive? WHY would he do that? If God finds them offensive, then wouldn't He make sure no one was ever born that way? And yet He doesn't...they are born every day....so there MUST be a reason.

This we agree with, but you never state what your solution is, what your "reason" is.

NOW you say that your solution is that God doesn't make these people this way, they become this way. And this, we do not agree with at all, so now that you've revealed your explanation to be "They choose to be gay though God doesn't want them to." We no longer agree.

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wnx_decoy

on Aug 10, 2004

Ok, you know what? I'm through with this article, the only thing coming from it now is a bunch of people who think that by changing what I'm saying is going to make them right then they'll do it. That quote above is nearly exactly how I see it yet you seem to think it's saying some of us are born gay. The quote, if seriously written, points towards something happening after birth to make someone gay...

Capt. over and out!

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 10, 2004

Are you completely dense to the idea of a rhetorical question? You wrote "Why would God create people whom he finds offensive?" I assumed, as did others who share my view, that it was a rhetorical question. Why would he? He wouldn't, hence he must not find homosexuals offensive.

This was our interpretation, even though it was not what you meant.

Now we know that you meant: "He didn't create them offensive, they chose to become offensive." And now that we know that this was your meaning, we no longer agree.

I'm not changing around what you said, but you complained that:

Now you've agreed with me while saying you don't agree.

We agreed with the first part of your statement, because we hadn't heard the second. That's all I'm trying to explain to you.

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archtct

on Aug 10, 2004

I am a 19 year old lesbian and I have read the Bible long and hard enough to know that it is interpreted in so many ways. I hope that gay people get to marry soon because it wasn't that long ago that black people were prevented from marrying. I don't believe in discrimination of any sort. Many homophobes use the argument that if you allow gay people to marry, then you'll have to let people marry their pets. Has anyone ever heard their pet say "I do"? The difference between homosexual/heterosexual relationships and relationships with animals is that there is no consensus with animals. Two consenting people are needed for a relationship. I don't apologize for my homosexuality because I have accepted it as a part of life. I am who I am and my homosexuality is not a choice. It has never been a choice because nothing makes me want to have a relationship with a man. I love women because I think they are beautiful. Nothing can change that.

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dharmagrl

on Aug 10, 2004

am who I am and my homosexuality is not a choice. It has never been a choice because nothing makes me want to have a relationship with a man. I love women because I think they are beautiful. Nothing can change that.

Another quote directly from the proverbial horses mouth.

Cornbread, consider this: You were born straight, right? You have never had any doubts about your sexuality whatsoever? You didn't 'choose' to be straight, that's just the way you are? Then why is it do hard for you to accept that some people are born gay? It's the same situation: they didn't choose to be gay, that's just who they are.

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carebear07

on Aug 10, 2004

No, I like the idea of praying time at lunch. Just because I know the people I sit with would be all for it. I think that church and state should be separated just as an idea. Maybe it would make people a wee bit happier, who knows?

The reason is because MAN chose to be this way. God hasn't created anything that is not perfect. It's all been man's doings. He didn't create people he finds offensive, it's the exact oposite. Man "created" people that God doesn't find favor in

This is exactly what I was trying to get across!!! Thank you so much Brandon!!

Why would God create a person that was gay if he thinks of being gay a sin?? So how on earth are they born gay? You can't be. When you are little such of the age of maybe 2 or 3 you don't know wether you like guys or girls. You don't know who you want to like and you can't make that choice untill you have hormones. Why are me and Capt. the only ones who think this? If I only had the answer.....

~carebear~

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dharmagrl

on Aug 10, 2004

When you are little such of the age of maybe 2 or 3 you don't know wether you like guys or girls

That's just not true. If you ask any person of homosexual persuasion when they first had an inkling that they might be gay, the majority of them say they've always known, or have known since childhood. Homosexuality doesn't happen all of a sudden when you get hormones. It's not like puberty. You have hormones before you're born. They're always there. That's what makes you male or female. It's the pituitary gland that starts puberty and the hormonal rush, but the hormones have always been there.

Are you seriously trying to tell me that everyone's born good? That people CHOOSE to be evil? I have to disagree. I think that some people are inherently evil. I've seen some horrific stuff, and you know what? Some of that horrific stuff has been done in the name of your god and of your religion. Remind me to tell you sometime about the child abuse case that took place under the banner of 'christian discipline'.

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