Gay WHAT???

Published on July 30, 2004 By wnx_decoy In Current Events

What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!

Comments (Page 16)

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citahellion

on Aug 11, 2004

[God] makes everyone PERFECT

According to standard Catholic doctrine (and most Christian ones too, I believe) you are born in a state of sin. This is why baptism is such a big deal for Catholics, if you don't get baptized you aren't cleansed of that original condition.

So why can't the choice to have the sexuality you chose be a subconteous (spelling?) one?

It's "subconscious". And sure, it could be a subconscious choice. It could be a conscious choice. It could be in your genes somewhere after all. It could be forced on you by your grandmother. It could even be the result of eating too much cheese before the age of 2. But the best available evidence at this time, as far as I'm concerned, points to it being a culmination of an unknown series of events and responses, as influenced by your genetic tendencies, early in your developmental cycle (well before you are sexually aware).

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wnx_decoy

on Aug 11, 2004

Oh, I'm sorry, but that's not in my doctrine... "let the children come to me..." ring a bell? I thought so.

Capt. over and out!

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Zoologist03

on Aug 11, 2004

It could even be the result of eating too much cheese before the age of 2.

Hmm...I hope not...otherwise Capt. here might be in touble...

~Zoo

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dharmagrl

on Aug 11, 2004

God CAN do anything.

Really? The why do we have small (perfect) children dying excruciatingly painful deaths? Why do we have people starving to death? What about people with horible deformities? If he can do anything, why isn't he doing anything about that? Oh, let me guess - those things aren't 'good', right? Or is it because your god chooses not to do anything about them?

I'm done with this thread. I had hoped that we could get some serious debate going, and for a while there we almost did...but now I feel like I'm shouting at a wall.

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dharmagrl

on Aug 11, 2004

He doesn't "make" gays because he makes everyone PERFECT, that means no spiritual flaws

Since when has homosexuality been a spiritual thing? As far as I'm concerned it's a physical desire.

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 11, 2004

"So how does he love everyone and everything if he doesn't like gay people?"

Your hurting my brain... look at what you said... like and love are totally different. I may not like someone like Hitler, but God would tell me to love him anyways, and I would/do. Do you seriously see the comments about not liking gays as meaning not loving them? To be totally honest I don't exactly LIKE a lot of you right now but I still LOVE you all.

Your definitions of love and mine are different, but I can see your point of view. I can't imagine loving someone or something I don't like, and to my view it seems a little pompous to proclaim that you love everyone. At that point it's just words, but if you believe it, I won't argue with you.

To me love is a specific feeling, not something you just say, though. I don't see love as "allow to exist," which is ultimately your definition, because if you love everyone, that just means that you're willing to allow them to exist without wanting them to die. I love a specific people, and I give everyone else the right to exist, even though I may not like them.

on Aug 11, 2004

on Aug 11, 2004

According to standard Catholic doctrine (and most Christian ones too, I believe) you are born in a state of sin.

I've always been taught that we are born free from sin, and that we don't reach the age of accountability till 12....

He doesn't "make" gays because he makes everyone PERFECT, that means no spiritual flaws.

Homosexuality is a SPIRITUAL flaw now? I thought it was a physical desire....is heterosexuality also spiritual?

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Lord Shitzu

on Aug 11, 2004

Ok, love, like what God has for us is sacrificial. That's what I'm talking about. If I saw that someone was needing something, I'd help them even if I can't help myself. If someone is about to die and I can do something about it, even if I'm going to die, I will. It's that simple. Love isn't a "feeling" to me. It's like this...

I may not like someone but if they were in trouble and needed my help, I would help them.

Okay, if that is love to you, fair enough, to me it's just common decency. Granted, not all people have this, and though I don't like your religious justification, I am glad that you strive to be a good and decent person.

I look at it like this, rather than view it as: "I love everyone, therefore I should strive to help anyone in needs, regardless of concern for my self." I look at it as: "I am a decent person, and have strong beliefs about what is right, and if I don't attempt to help someone who needs in, regardless of concern for myself, I will no longer be a decent person, I will be a selfish bastard."

Love to me is a completely different issue altogether.

It's really just a matter of perspective then.

So let me ask you this, do you believe that people who are not Christian, or for that matter, Atheists, can be moral and decent people without the Bible or a Church to tell them what is right and wrong?

I'm merely asking your personal opinion.

Edit: Messed up quote box, just pretend it's there >8).

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wnx_decoy

on Aug 11, 2004

Well, of course you can have good morals without it, but I don't think that's enough to go to heaven, assuming you believe in Heaven and Hell.

Capt. over and out!

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Splateaux

on Aug 11, 2004

I'm done with this thread. I had hoped that we could get some serious debate going, and for a while there we almost did...but now I feel like I'm shouting at a wall.

I explained why your efforts here are fruitless awhile ago. You "are" shouting at a wall.

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Poetmom99

on Aug 11, 2004

I explained why your efforts here are fruitless awhile ago. You "are" shouting at a wall.

I'm going to have to agree, and I think I'm going to bow out now, unless I see some real debate start up....

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shadesofgrey

on Aug 11, 2004

Poetmom: I won't be engaging you in debate because for the most part we agree. I just thought I'd clarify this...

I've always been taught that we are born free from sin, and that we don't reach the age of accountability till 12....

I think this is one of the key differences in Catholicism and Protestantism (well, minus the saints, Mary and transubstantiation). Catholics believe that Mary could give birth to Jesus because she was without original sin (it's more complicated than that, but that is the basics). Everyone else has it. Like Citahellion said, this is why Catholics get babies baptized right away whereas some other churches wait until they are older. I hope I am explaining that correctly, but if someone can clarify it better, feel free.

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citahellion

on Aug 11, 2004

I've always been taught that we are born free from sin, and that we don't reach the age of accountability till 12....

That's a new one to me. I certainly got spanked plenty of times (and knew I deserved some of them, too) well before then.

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dharmagrl

on Aug 11, 2004

I don't want this taken the wrong way, but children have free tickets to heaven too, they don't get punished for being born different if they die because of it.

Ok, you missed my point. You said that god can do anything, and that he loves all of us. Why, then, does he let his innocent little babies suffer and die horrible deaths? I'm talking about infants who have diseases or defects and whose short lives on this earth are nothing by pain and misery. I know that I would gladly take on my kids pain if it meant that they could be pain free. I'd lay down my life for my children, and it breaks my heart to see them suffer. I cried more when my little guy broke his arm than he did.

What does man have to do with that? What decision does man make the causes that kind if thing to happen? I don't see it.

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