Gay WHAT???

Published on July 30, 2004 By wnx_decoy In Current Events

What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!

Comments (Page 3)

shadesofgrey

on Aug 02, 2004

Are the biblical values in the commandments bad?

I think that's directed towards me, but I'm not really sure, so I will answer it anyway.

No, the commandments are not bad at all if you are a Christian (which I am, of the widely unpopular Catholic demoniation

). That said, I don't believe that anything that is funded with public money (schools, courts...) should contain the doctrines of any religion.

As for the praying in school. Since when did you need a specific time as dictated by the principal to allow you to pray? Praying is something between you and God and only needs the solitude within your head for it to occur. I've said many a prayer on the metro, riding on the bus, in airplanes, in a crowded mall, in the cafeteria when I was in school, you name it. You don't need everyone around you to stop and notice you are praying for your prayer to be effective. The law doesn't prohibit you from praying--should, as Carebear suggested, you feel the need to offer up prayer at 1:33 on a given Tuesday afternoon--do it. The argument that you need a moment of silence in order to pray is akin to the argument that you need a church to be religious--Jesus made do without either.

Now, having said all that, I am curious as to when the moment of silence was outlawed? Honestly, I don't really have a huge problem with a moment of silence because, no matter what your beliefs are regarding a deity, it's a moment to reflect on the day a head--a chance to get centered and mentally prepare for the challenges awaiting you. If however, you are spiritual/religious, you can use the moment to pray to the god/gods of your choosing.

As for gay marriages, let me remind you of the Sermon on the Mount: "Judge not, that ye be not judged." (Matthew 7:1). Marriages are afforded extra rights by state and federal governments (again an issue of church and state). Until they are completely separate, not allowing gays to marry is a form of discrimination. You may not agree with their lifestyle, but it is not for us to judge them or to cause them any undue hardship. That said, no church should be forced to marry them, either (though to be fair, I don't really see gays wanting to get married in a church that is hostile to them). Unlike we here on earth, Jesus had no heirarchy of sins. Sexual sinners are no worse than any other sinners. Remember Matthew 21:28-31? The prostitutes enter the kingdom of God ahead of the religious Pharisees. Being a sinner does not eliminate your chances for a glorious hereafter with God--if it did, we'd all be in some serious trouble. Live and let live.

Sorry, that got a little long.

CS Guy

on Aug 02, 2004

Well, you've even said that you can't please everybody, but if you can please the majority than you're doing good. I honestly don't see my asking for moments of silence and pledge to the american flag as asking for too much.

the problem is that having "under God" in the pledge is a divisive condition, while not having it is inclusive. Having that statement in presupposes some divine being, which means that anyone who does not believe that suddenly has a choice... do I support my country's official pledge, betraying my beliefs, or do I personally edit the official pledge. Without the statement "under God" there is no assumption about a person's religious beliefs. The official pledge becomes an adoration of the country, and not an invisible spirit.

dharmagrl

on Aug 02, 2004

CS Guy made a very eloquent point......

carebear07

on Aug 02, 2004

Carebear - why are homosexual marriages wrong? Did you make the decison to label them thus on your ownm or are you doing it becuase that's what you pastor and the bible and everyone in your church says? If you did it for the latter...well, then jesus was right when he called his followers 'sheep'.

It's not that I have a major problem with homosexuals or anything, it's just the way my church believes. I'm not going to turn against what my church is teaching. I just think that they need to keep their marriages out of the churches. I'm just following the belief of my church. So nothing against the homosexuals. If they want a relationship like that, that's their choice, but I'd rather them keep it away from me.

~carebear~

dharmagrl

on Aug 02, 2004

I'm not going to turn against what my church is teaching

I'm just following the belief of my church.

That's what I thought.

That kind of mentality is what turned me away from Christianity in the first place.

citahellion

on Aug 02, 2004

That kind of mentality is what turned me away from Christianity in the first place.

Christianity hardly has exclusive rights to that brand of indoctrination....

shadesofgrey

on Aug 02, 2004

Carebear: I encourage you (and everyone else) to question the teachings of your church--not necessarily to abandon them, but to fully understand where they come from, and if you truly believe in them. You may find out that you agree 100% with everything, but you might find sticky spots where you have trouble with some doctrines. A deeper understanding can be the foundation to an un-rockable faith. Blind faith should be reserved for Jesus alone (assuming you are Christian) not for the people "doing God's work." Read the Bible, interpret on your own, think about what is says and how it squares with your beliefs. The Protestant Reformation was a fight to free Christians from having their religion dictated to them...but, alas, for all intensive purposes, we are in the same place we started.

I am a firm believe that I can disagree with aspects of my church and still be a committed member. Sometimes personal morality must prevail. (How many churches supported slavery? How many people quoted the Bible in defense of keeping slaves?) Just some food for thought.

PS. Citahellion--you could not be more correct!

dharmagrl

on Aug 02, 2004

Christianity hardly has exclusive rights to that brand of indoctrination....

You're absolutely correct, they don't. That was just the form of organized religion I turned away from.

Phoenixboi

on Aug 02, 2004

If they want a relationship like that, that's their choice, but I'd rather them keep it away from me.

Hmm maybe you might get leprosy or something??? Carebear... is your church preaching tolerance, love, compassion or is it that you think when you die you go to heaven and you will be in a room with only people who went to your church or believed what you believed in?

Honestly, its like people really arent listening to what Jesus had to say. Love one another (yes that means everyone) as I loved you.

carebear07

on Aug 02, 2004

Like I said, I don't hate homosexuals. I even have friends that are homosexuals. And I do respect that they choose to be that way, but I still see that it's wrong. And no, when i go to heaven I don't believe that I'm only going to go to a room with people that went to my church or believed what I did. People have their different opinions and I respect that. I've said in the past, I don't like to see homosexuals display their public affection for each other, and I also don't enjoy straigh people doing right out in the open either. I really didn't want this to turn into an argument, and I'm sure Capt. didn't either. And I'm trying to keep the peace the best I can, so if I sound offensive in this it wasn't meant to be that way.

~carebear~

dharmagrl

on Aug 02, 2004

And I do respect that they choose to be that way, but I still see that it's wrong.

But it's not a choice to be that way, Carebear.

I'm not trying (despite what you may think) to turn this into an argument either, and you're doing a great job at keeping the peace, by the way.....but I want you to think outside of the box that you've created. Think about how it would feel to be the minority, to have people look down on you and act like what you want doesn't count.

Phoenixboi

on Aug 02, 2004

And I do respect that they choose to be that way

If it were a choice do you think it would be easier for people to be "straight" and not cop the flack that is coped being gay? Im glad your trying to understand Carebear.

the hidden paw

on Aug 03, 2004

I think any love between any people deserves to be respected and celebrated before God.

'love is natural and real', Morrisey.

Robert Guinness

on Aug 03, 2004

check out my dream.

kingbee

on Aug 03, 2004

they (the 10 commandments) make up the basis of the judicial system in this country

the 2nd most amusing thing (in a very ironic sense) about former alabama supreme court justice roy moore's failed attempt to impose a graven image (the most amusing aspect being the fact his monument is exactly that) on the citizens of his state was his assertion the decalogue is the foundation of our (american/english) contemporary judicial system or the laws thereof. despite not having the actual tablets available for carbon dating, there is significant and abundant evidence the hebrew commandments were predated by the codes of hammurabi--which, in turn, were very likely derived from an even more ancient source. in any event, our current legal systems and procedures are clearly founded upon the works of those romans who authored the 12 tables in 400 bce--drawing upon hammurabi and greek codes--as enhanced by justinian's 'corpus jurus civilis'.

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