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Gay WHAT???
Published on July 30, 2004 By wnx_decoy In Current Events
What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!


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46
wnx_decoy
on Aug 03, 2004
Ok, so, now it's all about how belief in God is wrong, or believing in the teaching of you church is wrong? I don't like what I'm reading because to be honest I didn't get my opinion strictly from what some 60 year old man told me. My beliefs come from my interpretation of the bible.

In the bible you CAN find an answer to nearly any political issue and most situations with relationships. I'm not saying that the bible is the only thing making up my mind either. I believe God puts verses in front of you for a reason. I haven't read the whole bible yet but I constantly get verses thrown at me to read that help in an unbelievable way.

I don't really even thing I belong to any church and I also don't think that I need to. I just grew up with teaching being pushed into my head and honestly, I have found many of them to be misleading.

I don't remember who said it, but someone actually agreed with me about moments of silence. I never, once, said that the moment of silence must contain prayer, and that's exactly what a lot of you are making it seem like. The moment of silence was always the calming part of the day to help you prepare for the day. I am just one of those students that took the time to pray. Some of my friends took it as time to catch up on their sleeping or their homework, but whatever it was, it calmed me down and I always looked forward to it. It wasn't because everyone had to pray, but because it gave us a chance to if we wanted to and it also gave people time to think about what they are going to do.

Gay marriage is wrong because God didn't establish it as being a holy unity. When gays get married there is no husband and wife... that's what you need for a holy unity such as marriage. You're probably going to tell me it's alright for a 12 year old and a 40 year old to get married next, and I'm not going to tolerate this stupid thinking of people anymore. It's not my fault you think people are born gay, it's just your way of saying it's ok. I'm sorry but it's not. I may have friends who are like that and they will tell you, it's a choice, not a birth defect. I'm not saying that gays are bad but I am saying that it's not favorable in my God's eyes. Have you ever seen a homosexual become a born again christian? They aren't gay or lesbian any more after that because they chose not to be.

I hate to tell you this but christianity isn't some half baked idea to get people to think they are all evil and unworthy. As a member of the Baptist church I can honestly say my church has got to be the worst church if you are gay, but that's just because half of them don't want to accept change.

The church is basically a gosip house anymore, I don't like it and I prefer just going to sunday school and going home. Stay any longer and you might get too much negative feedback from the old ladies. I am with whoever says that the church isn't just a building, but a spiritual body created by the people who love and are loved by Jesus christ.

Alright, I'll "argue" some more later, but right now, I'm gonna go so no one dies from boredom.

Capt. over and out!
47
carebear07
on Aug 03, 2004
Gay marriage is wrong because God didn't establish it as being a holy unity. When gays get married there is no husband and wife... that's what you need for a holy unity such as marriage. You're probably going to tell me it's alright for a 12 year old and a 40 year old to get married next, and I'm not going to tolerate this stupid thinking of people anymore. It's not my fault you think people are born gay, it's just your way of saying it's ok. I'm sorry but it's not. I may have friends who are like that and they will tell you, it's a choice, not a birth defect. I'm not saying that gays are bad but I am saying that it's not favorable in my God's eyes. Have you ever seen a homosexual become a born again christian? They aren't gay or lesbian any more after that because they chose not to be.


I think that you're the only one in here that sees this whole thing the same way I do Capt. You're not born to be gay or lesbian, i think it is by choice.


hate to tell you this but christianity isn't some half baked idea to get people to think they are all evil and unworthy. As a member of the Baptist church I can honestly say my church has got to be the worst church if you are gay, but that's just because half of them don't want to accept change


I don't know Capt. My church is pretty bad when it comes to someone being gay.

~carebear~
48
citahellion
on Aug 03, 2004
Carebear07 said:
Yes, but you should be able to pray when ever you feel like it. What if you wanted to pray for something bad that has happened and it just so happened to be a tuesday at school? So are you going to just wait to pray untill you go to bed or until you go to church on Sunday? It might be too late.


Now come on. Do you honestly believe that you HAVE to express yourself verbally in a prayer, and if you don't get a chance to do so right away, God might ignore the bad things that are going on? If you're THAT concerned about something you can always do a quick, internal "hey God please take care of that" at the time and then yes, you can wait until you go to bed to express yourself more formally. Has your church actually taught you that God will ignore you unless you're on your knees with your hands clasped, intoning in Latin? I'm no priest or pastor but I'm familiar enough with the church and the Bible to know that's not how it works (unless possibly you're Catholic). God is supposed to be omnipresent, omnipotent, and omniscient, after all.

Cpt Cornbread said:
Have you ever seen a homosexual become a born again christian? They aren't gay or lesbian any more after that because they chose not to be.


No, they are still gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, or whatever. They are just no longer practicing it.
You were a sinner before you joined the church, right? And now that you're a born-again christian, you have not suddenly become an angel. You're still a sinner. You just try your best (hopefully) to sin as little as possible. Your desires and tendencies are still there, but you suppress them. Of course, in the eyes of the church, even thinking about certain things is a sin, so you cannot possibly avoid still being a sinner.

In the bible you CAN find an answer to nearly any political issue and most situations with relationships.


I'd go so far as to say that in the Bible you can find ANY answer to nearly any political issue or relationship problem. By this I mean, that if you're looking to condemn homosexuality, it's all there in the Old Testament. If you're looking to let it slide, check out the New Testament. If you want to justify slavery, Old Testament. Pacifism, New Testament. Retribution, Old Testament. Et cetera. It's all in there, or something vague or general enough to apply metaphorically.

believing in the teaching of your church is wrong?


Blindly believing in the teachings of ANYONE is wrong. (Emphasis on "blindly".) Studying, learning, and finding a blend of beliefs that you feel will make you a better person and the world a better place is what you should be doing. "I'm against it because my pastor said it's wrong" means that you don't even understand the deeper reasons WHY you believe something.
49
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

My beliefs come from my interpretation of the bible.

The operative word in that sentence being MY.

Homosexuality isn't a matter of choice, just as having blue eyes or epilepsy isn't a matter of choice.  You can wear contacts to change the color of your eyes or take medication to control your seizures, but underneath it you still have the blue eyes and the epilepsy. 

Perhaps you would benefit from spending quality time with a gay person.  Perhaps you should ask them if it's a choice or not, instead of listening to your straight pastor who has no experience being gay whatsoever.

You can find the answer to just about anything in the bible, and it's actually very self-contradictory.  It condems some things in the old testament that are 'forgiven' in the new.  Basically, you can interpret the bible to mean almost anything you want.  That's why I don't put too much stock in a book full of stories that were written thousands of years ago and have been manipulated and translated so many times that there's probably only a smidgen of the original left in them.  'But the bible is the divine word of god, infallible and unchanged" I hear you say?   But where are you getting that information from?  Your pastor?  Where is HE getting it from?  The bible.  The bible's hardly going to say 'hey, i contain fictional information and you should take everything you read in me with a grain of salt', now is it?

50
Gideon MacLeish
on Aug 03, 2004
As to the prayer in school argument, I like the old saying "as long as there are tests, there will be prayer in schools."

Interestingly enough, there's not one documented case affirmed to the Supreme Court level of a child being punished for individual prayer in school. The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some).
51
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)

52
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!!

53
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks

54
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks you!! 

55
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks you!!  Finally

56
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks you!!  Finally someone

57
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks you!!  Finally someone who

58
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks you!!  Finally someone who doesn't

59
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks you!!  Finally someone who doesn't lump

60
dharmagrl
on Aug 03, 2004

The "movement" is another of the political right's attempt to cast all people left of center as Christian hating antitheists, when that is simply not the case with MOST liberals in America (although it could certainly be said of some)


Yes!! Thanks you!!  Finally someone who doesn't lump all

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