Gay WHAT???

Published on July 30, 2004 By wnx_decoy In Current Events

What is wrong with this world? Am I just stupid or was the U.S. Constituition written while under the influence of a God fearing belief?

If the constition was written under those principles than why do the people who are also God fearing, have to refrain from using his holy name in public? People honestly wanted to change our 200+ year old pledge just because it includes the word God. And what's even worse is that I have to sit back and listen to people curse while using God's name. Maybe I'm just a crazy christian that is too blind to no the difference, but I don't think that's it.

I have the strangest feeling our forefathers didn't mean that you can't practice religion in the U.S. just that you can't FORCE your religion upon someone. Saying the pledge is not forcing christian ethics upon anyone, it's just asking Americans to have some respect for their country.

Gays can get married, legally, now. All I have to say about this one is, keep them out of court rooms and churches when doing this, because the church is (or at least mine is) against homosexual marriages. Then you have the court rooms which have the american flag right in your face.

If you haven't noticed yet, I'm a christian and I can't stand the fact that we are letting people like this get away with what they are doing. You don't see me going around yelling at people for not praying, so why yell at me FOR praying? I'm not even speaking for crying out loud.

Oh, and then there's schools... This sucks big one's! You don't have to pledge anymore and the principal can't ask you to take time to pray and/or meditate. I remember, in 3rd grade, we would always do morning pledge and then the moment of silence for prayer or meditation. It was harmless. If you don't want to pray, you had time to sit and think. If you wanted to pray and not feel weird you could. Suddenly, out of nowhere we weren't aloud to do those things anymore. Now, to pray you look like a freak and everyone thinks your a loser that doesn't deserve to have friends.

So, what am I? Am I an idiot for even thinking that God is good? Maybe that's why we're having so much trouble in this world now. People won't accept that God isn't a word to bind you into one religion, but a word to symbolize the greatness of our country... if you won't accept it as a holy being. Or perhaps I'm a psychotic homophobe who can't even function in the same world as a homosexual or bisexual (no real dif.).

Capt. over and out!

Comments (Page 7)

Champas Socialist

on Aug 04, 2004

And what about when they continue their gayness after the said bashing? Just fun to be bashed for different reasons?

Cap'n you asked:
"No, they are still gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, or whatever. They are just no longer practicing it."

So, what you're saying is that if a satan worshiper becomes born again christian he/she is still a satan worshiper, just not practicing it anymore? Well, thanks Dr. Cracker."

No. Your argument here is circular logic. The comparison only works if you actually do believe that being gay is a choice (one that is presumably similar to a religious belief). It is also circular logic to say that if a homosexual person converts to Christianity they are just not practising their homosexuality. It relies on the opposite assumption. Both these arguments will only be convincing to believers. In both instances, the argument relies on an assumption that homosexuality is either a choice or a natural state of being.

However the original point that was being made by saying that these people were simply not practising their sexuality was to point out that this is not a hole in the argument. It is simply a point for disagreement.
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Champas Socialist

on Aug 04, 2004

“Gay marriage is wrong because God didn't establish it as being a holy unity. When gays get married there is no husband and wife... that's what you need for a holy unity such as marriage.”

Ok, so keep it out of the churches that believe that. No one is going to force you to believe in it. But why do you have to keep it out of the courtroom and law?

“Um, I'm not sure what you are trying to say here... we should remove our thyroid gland, hypothalamus, parathyroid glands, adrenal cortex, ovarian follicle, testes, and other hormone generating organs?”

No I don’t think that’s what CSGuy was saying (feel free to correct me CS). It was a hyperbolic example. CS was simply saying that if you have had desires and you have suppressed them because of your religious beliefs, then that is similar to a homosexual suppressing their homosexual desires.

Regarding the topic of the original post, I seem to recall you wanted kids to keep saying “God” in the Pledge. I’m going to repost this story because you haven’t responded to it:

by having prayer in schools you are indeed causing problems for those who dont believe or participate. A Moslem parent recently told me how her child had recently come home from her day in a Catholic school to tell her mum she didn't want to be a Muslim anymore. Upon furthering question, and knowledge of the child, the parent discovered this was not because of any shift in faith. In fact, the child was too young to know much about either faith. It was because she couldn't make any friends. The reason she made no friends was that she did not go along to the Religious Ed classes and the other kids mocked her for this. She was made to look like a freak because she didnt participate in prayer. If you want to indoctrinate your kids, do it on Sundays. I pray but Im not about to make everyone else take time out of their education to pray along with me.

kingbee

on Aug 04, 2004

There is one girl impeticular that acts like she's a bisexual just so she can get attention from other people.

i gotcha now. you do understand the difference between someone pretending to be attracted to the same sex and someone who has always only been attracted to the same sex or who finds both sexes equally attractive?

Robert Guinness

on Aug 04, 2004

I am upset because if this amendmant is passed, then it is the first one which takes rights away.

No, it's not. Ammendment XVIII took a right away. ...wait, nevermind...

Technically speaking Ammendment XXII also took away a right.

I personally don't think a definition of marriage in the Constitution takes away any rights. Gays have the right to get married now, and they would still have the right to get married with such an ammendment.

Yes, I realize discrimination could be disguised in a "definition" ...like if you said, "suffrage is to be defined as that which a male does to elect his representatives."
But a definition of marriage as "a union between a male and a female" is not such a diguise. Defining marriage as being between two males or two females is about as ridiculous as defining suffrage "that which a man, woman, child, dog, or fish does to elect his, her, or its representatives, as well as any other living creature that feels they need rights form the government."

The fact is, gays do not need additional rights from the government in order to live out their chosen and free lifestyle. They have every right to do so. Yet, they insist on demanding that the government support their lifestyle by giving them the benefits that married couples enjoy. The difference is that the government, by democratic methods, has chosen to give benefits to married couples because the people believe marriage benefits society in real, tangible ways, the most tangible of which is producing the children that our society needs for survival. Gay couples simply can't do that.

Splateaux

on Aug 04, 2004

I normally don't resort to directly trying debunk people's statements on these boards, but...

Have you ever seen a homosexual become a born again Christian? They aren't gay or lesbian any more after that because they chose not to be.

this post is going to change my normal behavior. This is complete crap! The fact that you believe that these people tell you, "I'm a born again blah blah..." and that they no longer find people of the same sex attractive is just plain ridiculous. This should pretty easily illustrate to all of you that are arguing with, or trying to understand how your average Christian thinks that you can't really argue with them. They believe one of a few things: Whatever their master (Pastor, preacher, etc...) tells them they should believe, however they choose interpret the Bible (one of the easiest collection of stories to interpret 800 different ways, or whatever their group of brain-dead "good Christian" friends believe. Any use of logic or reasoning is completely wasted on them.

Okay, I will now return to my normal non-abrasive self. I apologize to any I might have offended while in “grumpy mode”

wnx_decoy

on Aug 04, 2004

No logic eh? I'm gonna have to disagree. Though you may not go along with the facts, you are NOT born gay. You are born straight and later on decide to involve yourself with the same sex or both. When you find the purpose in your life that God gives you you realize that the choice you have made is wrong and that you should change your ways.

I'm sorry I put you into your "grumpy mode" but I don't see how saying that christians are stupid is going to win your arguments. My mom, for example, is the 2nd highest paid woman for the business she works at. She also has her own company that she runs on the side. She's a website designer, and a dang good one too. She's a christian, so of course what I just told you is false because she must be too stupid to do what she does.

Dude, the next time you think you're going to be cool by saying that my "family" is stupid, maybe you should think twice. You just look like your some idiot who can't find people to listen to him without lashing out!

Anyways, back onto "subject"... Umm, I'm gonna have to say you are mistaken. Maybe if you'd take the time to understand what Christianity is about you'd see what wonderful things come about becoming saved. I can understand people's lack of belief in God because you can't see him but that doesn't mean you can put my God down. I don't put anybody else's god/goddess or whatever you do or don't believe in down, so why put mine down. Freedom of religion right? Yeah, so don't bash me for my beliefs.

Can we please get back to the subject I REALLY wanted to talk about? Prayer and meditation in schools...

Capt. over and out!

shadesofgrey

on Aug 04, 2004

Though you may not go along with the facts, you are NOT born gay. You are born straight and later on decide to involve yourself with the same sex or both. When you find the purpose in your life that God gives you you realize that the choice you have made is wrong and that you should change your ways.

Captain Cornbread: Please realize that this is YOUR OPINION, not a fact. You are entitled to believe what you would like, but there is a difference between opinions and facts and I think in this instance you have confused the two.

As for prayer in school,but I think we agreed because it was largely ignored!

citahellion

on Aug 04, 2004

Carebear said:

And I know that the bible doesn't work the way that you putting me out to say that it does. I think maybe you should have payed closer attention to what I said

The part I was specifically picking on was the idea that you should be allowed to stop and pray anytime you want because otherwise it "might be too late." In fact you CAN stop and pray any time you want, it doesn't have to be a big production, just a split second in your head will do; and you can always go ahead and express yourself more fully later on.

Cpt. Cornbread said:

You are born straight and later on decide to involve yourself with the same sex or both.

As shades said, this is your OPINION. It may be based on what your pastor told you, or on other sources of information, but unless you have documented evidence to back it up, we will continue to consider it your opinion. And an ill-informed one at that, but clearly you are not interested in changing it at this time, so I'll let it drop.

Can we please get back to the subject I REALLY wanted to talk about? Prayer and meditation in schools...

Perhaps you should have titled this post something other than "Gay WHAT???" if that was your true intent.

But all right, I'll reiterate my initial posting: having a moment of silence within which students may perform whatever non-verbal, non-disruptive activity they desire, be it praying, meditating, reading, picturing the teacher naked, sleeping, or whatever else, should be allowed.

wnx_decoy

on Aug 04, 2004

Do you want to know the truth? I've written an article about not being able to pray in school before but nobody read it because the title didn't get the job done. This may be a bad way to do things but I knew that a title like this one would work better. I'm glad you noticed.

Capt. over and out!

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nmrhth

on Aug 04, 2004

As a christian, I personally wish that the phrase "Under God" was taken out of the pledge of allegience, and that "In God we trust" would be taken off of our money. This nation is clearly not under God, and I resent the fact that it is being represented as so. Many people in our nation do not trust in God, making the statement "In God WE Trust" a falsehood. On the point of having a moment of silence, what is the point of that? if you feel like praying, do it whenever you feel like. or do it at home. its not as if that is the only place or time that it can be done.

To those of you who keep referring to Christians as persons who blindly follow what they are told and have no intelligence, I resent that. While there are Christians who do not go into scripture or actually think about their beliefs, there are many who do. Just because you do not believe the same thing, does not mean that all Christians are idiots.

One solution to the gay marriage situation would be this. Remove the title of marriage from federal and state law. Instead, replace it with the term civil union, or something else. allow both homosexual and heterosexual couples to form civil unions. classify marriages performed within churches as civil unions. that way, gays will have a way of joining together in love, along with recieving the tax benefits that now only come from marriage. also, christians and others opposed to gay marriage because it violates the sanctity would be able to preserve this sanctity, without disadvantaging the gay community.

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wnx_decoy

on Aug 04, 2004

Wow, that was awesome! Can I shake your hand? I'm going to go ahead and admit that you made me look stupid as heck. Now, I'm gonna have to go and look at this in another light. I never thought about the idea of the U.S. not deserving those words. That was truly enlightening. Thank you.

The only thing I'm gonna have to disagree with is what you said about the moment of silence. To be totally honest, I'm not mad because it takes away a chance to pray, I'm mad because I liked to sit and relax before the day started. Look around you and tell me how many people can say that they get to take time and relax before going off to work. Not a lot of people do and I think that this moment of silence would help to increase the productivity of students all over the world.

Capt. over and out!

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dharmagrl

on Aug 04, 2004

Finally! A voice of reason, and a christian one at that!

I wholeheartedly agree.

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blondelife

on Aug 04, 2004

I don't know but all i can say is stick to your opionion cause nobody is going to change minds. So it doesn't matter. Everyone is differant and no one has the same mind. Also brandon your welcome for saying that.lol. you to ashley.

~blondelife~

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Gideon MacLeish

on Aug 04, 2004

First, the pledge is not 200 years old. Your history teacher gets an "F", capt.

Second, the words "under God" were not added until the 1950's.

Man, I'm glad we don't depend on public schools to teach our kids...

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Zoologist03

on Aug 04, 2004

This should pretty easily illustrate to all of you that are arguing with, or trying to understand how your average Christian thinks that you can't really argue with them. They believe one of a few things: Whatever their master (Pastor, preacher, etc...) tells them they should believe, however they choose interpret the Bible (one of the easiest collection of stories to interpret 800 different ways, or whatever their group of brain-dead "good Christian" friends believe. Any use of logic or reasoning is completely wasted on them.

You might want to rethink your little judgement on this one....I'm a Christian....I've only been inside a Church twice....I think....and I haven't gotten passed the first chapter in the Bible.....I'm lazy and I believe things the way I see them....so, ease up on the generalizations there....

~Zoo

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